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> American history can be understood as a running battle between authoritarians and egalitarians

...Do you mean "a running battle between conservatives and egalitarians," or "hierarchists and egalitarians," or something like that? I ask because authoritarians are usually seen as opposing libertarians, and libertarians are usually pretty OK with inequality so long as basic freedoms are respected.

If you'd written that American history can be understood as a running battle between libertarians and egalitarians, I would find that totally obvious, especially given that libertarians are probably the least domesticated out of the well-known political groups. Then again it really looks like the egalitarians have won, so... are you somehow dissatisfied?

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I think the Quaker Guy looks like quite the "dandy, almost a 'dude'." https://www.chess.com/article/view/saint-amant

:D

But yes, the early Quaker have generally been my favorites among the revolutionary and pre-revolutionary colonists. Whenever anyone tries to excuse the domestic behavior of Washington or Jefferson under temporal relativism, it's straight forward to point to their Quaker contemporaries to show that the badness of what they were doing was known at the time.

Regarding your discussion with Apple Pie, I don't fully comprehend what "woke people" means unless its immediately followed up with an example. It's one of the more abstract political nouns used these days.

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